what does this say to you about whether or not everyone of us has that dark side in the us? >> it just says to me -- that was the goal of the movie. when we started off, rick said i want to go on this journey, and when you get to the point where he murders her, that you would have at least some small understanding of how it was possible. all of us, before we snap to judge someone who has done a horrible crime, is it possible that all of us in the worst possible circumstances could be capable of something like that? it is about not judging people before really considering what the circumstance was. and that not all murders are created equal. we have a tendency in our society to just say murder? cut and dried, galway for ever. or maybe should have the electric chair yourself. but there are different shades of gray. it is not all cut and dried like that. for instance, was there premeditation? was there a plan to get away with it? was there a plan to get some kind of financial gain as a result of the murder? these are things that have to be carefully -- tavis: but he put her in